Ryli Dunlap
5 min readDec 2, 2024

Are you Islamophobic? Perhaps. But this is completely the wrong way to frame the question.

I think you are conflating Islam with religious fundamentalism - something that is shared by all religions. All religions have their moderates and their fanatics. I think when you rail against Islam, what you really mean to rail against is religious fundamentalism. You seem to be largely oblivious to the fundamentalism and extreme fanaticism present in the other 2 Abrahamic faiths (as well as Hindus and Buddhists). All have their fanatics and 'nationalists' absolutely consumed with a quest to form ethno-states and purge it of anyone not of their religion. Much of the ongoing violence and genocide in Myanmar - for example - is being driven by fanatical Buddhist Nationalists against Muslim Rohingya.

"This is less of a problem with Evangelical Christians. They have given up on making being gay illegal. Now they really want the same as me."

What planet have you been living on? The Evangelical Christians have become nothing but more fanatical and would love nothing more than to impose their religious mandates and morality as the law of the land. The only reason they haven't been able to do so yet in the US is because of the moderates and secularists that oppose their attempts.

Instead, they've turned their efforts to places like Uganda - which imposes the death penalty for LGBTQ and gay people. Uganda's policies and laws are driven by religious fundamentalism, much of it imported from the US by Evangelical Christians.

Have you ever heard of the "Lord's Resistance Army" - a Christian extremist organization operating in Africa? It's leader Joseph Kony is notorious for horrific war crimes and for using child soldiers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

Insinuating that Islam is the only religion capable or guilty of having fanatics on the fringe is perhaps unfair. If it's done intentionally to 'smear' Muslims then yes, I think this could be Islamophobic. However, I think what this article exhibits more than outright Islamophobia is naivety or obliviousness to the potential extremism of all religion.

It's also unclear to me what you mean by 'Western Values'. This is a hopelessly vague term. Do you mean to imply that Christianity is a 'Western Value'? Democracy? Christianity originated in the Middle East (along with the other Abrahamic faiths) and 'democracy' as a concept of participatory governance is not a 'Western' invention. So, I'm unclear what 'values' you are referring to that are exclusively 'Western'.

If what you really mean by 'Western Values' is in fact 'European Values' - or ideas coming from the enlightenment - then one of the most important contributions to philosophy by European thinkers was the idea of reason, or scientific and rational thought over religious idealism. People like Galileo who were persecuted by the Catholic church for daring to use science to prove such things as the Earth revolving around the sun (rather than the other way around). Or, Spinoza who was excommunicated by Rabbis and denounced by the Catholic church for questioning the nature of God, criticizing religious texts, and promoting a more secular idea of society where various religions are tolerated as long as they are practiced discretely.

One thing that many of the great thinkers in Europe (and also elsewhere in the world) have in common is: They faced persecution by religious extremists far daring to suggest things that undermined the authority or challenged the narrative of the church.

So, I think the true ideological struggle isn't the one you framed between some vague notion of 'Western values' vs. Islam, but rather a struggle of secularism and scientific rational thought vs religious fundamentalism.

The USA was not founded as a 'Christian' nation or one that should grant any sort of 'blessing' to one religion over another (at least in theory and according to the Declaration of Independence). There is no mention of Jesus Christ in the founding documents - only God. Many of the religious sects that fled to the new colonies in North America were attempting to flee religious persecution from the Catholic church for not being the 'right' kinds of Christians. Some sects like the Quakers didn't even regard themselves as Christians - at least not in the Catholic or evangelical sense. This idea that the USA was founded to be an explicitly 'Christian' country is untrue. Therefore, conflating Christianity with 'Western Values' makes little sense. If there was one value that set the USA apart from most other countries at the time, it was its secularism, and insistence on maintaining a separation between church and state.

So... a lot of these arguments that attempt to conflate 'Western Values' with Christianity in an attempt to then argue that Islam is incompatible with them really is just thinly-veiled Islamophobia coming from the position of "My Christian religion is superior to yours, because we have values blah blah blah". Furthermore, insisting that the US should be reserved solely for Christians (or 'Western Values' - whatever those actually are) is exactly the sort of thing the founding fathers were opposed to and urged against. This is literally what many immigrants fleeing the tyranny of state-sponsored religion (or perhaps I should say religion-sponsored states; since many of the European monarchs ruled only with the permission/authority of the church) were seeking to escape and build a new system free of.

Sure, Islamic fundamentalism is antithetical to the founding principles of the USA. So is Christian fundamentalism or any other ideology that insists on forming nation-states defined solely by religion, and ruled thusly.

Israel might be a 'kinder, gentler' version of a religious theocraccy or ethno-state, but it is still that. And because it's entire identity is based on preserving the majority of 1 particular religion, it is fundamentally different than the USA which was founded on the exact opposite principle.

I think supporting fundamentalists of 1 religion in an attempt to oppose fundamentalists of another is an extremely flawed and illogical stance, especially if the 'real' struggle is in fact against religious fundamentalism in all its flavors and varieties.

Finally, I'm just going loop back to this: Just what are 'Western Values'? Because if these are determined by what the US empire backs/supports, I'm extremely confused. The US backs Saudi Arabia (an Islamic Monarchy with an appalling human rights record waging a bloody war in Yemen). It backed the bloody Suhorto in Indonesia who ended up imposing policies that enforced Islamic majority rule. Are 'Western Values' invading and occupying someone else's country to try to impose our way of thinking and governing in a failed 20 year experiment in Afghanistan (not to mention Iraq). That's funny, because that's exactly the same thing people get upset at the Islamic fundamentalists for doing - trying to impose their caliphate on people who don't want it.

It seems that the 'West' (led by the US) doesn't really have 'values' - just an interest in maintaining a monopoly on power by whatever means are necessary.

What 'western values' must Muslims (or anyone else) conform/assimilate to anyways? Unfettered consumerism? Gorging on fast-food and binge-watching TV? Objectifying women in bikinis and commodifying sexuality in order to sell shitty Light Beer? Heaven forbid they don't conform to that!

What about freedom of speech? Interestingly, many Christians and Muslims in the US are becoming strange bedfellows in uniting in their fundamentalist tendencies to ban books, oppose LGBTQ rights, etc. It seems that Christian and Muslim extremists actually have far more 'values' in common in terms of wanting to impose their religions ideals on people, than what the author of this article would have us believe.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/16/dearborn-michigan-book-bans

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-09-25/lgbtq-muslims-evangelical-republican-christians

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Ryli Dunlap
Ryli Dunlap

Written by Ryli Dunlap

Aspiring writer. Recovering programmer. Many opinions — some unpopular. I unload them here. Blog: https://pontifi.co Dance/Music: https://rylito.com

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